BEAR-ly Getting Started 12.4 - Golden Stout

We celebrate the 50th episode of Bear-ly Getting Started and it is only appropriate that we do so with a golden stout. Also known as a white stout. After Craig tells us a bit about our feature brewery, we learn what a white or golden stout is.  We close out any series by talking about what's available at Magic Bear Beer Cellar including their award-winning trivia night. We also recognize this series as a favorite of the World Podcast Network. Featuring Guilty Remnant from Blood Brothers Brewing out of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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Transcript

Jason:

The Buffalo Brews podcast All right Well, I guess just before we hit the record button here We we discovered some some interesting facts because they had those facts Why because you're listening to barely getting started on the Buffalo Brews podcast I'm Jason Edinger and with me we're at magic beer beer cellar doing some doing some fun recording here with Craig Altibello, who is the the owner the proprietor the all things magic reader. Yes And we discovered that this is now while we didn't discover we knew it was coming But this is the 50th episode apparently getting started in 50 50 upon looking this up. We realized that 50 and anniversary years for married couples usually reflects the golden anniversary But what was more interesting is that the connection to the beer that we have that we're gonna be talking about today And I'm gonna take it away.

Craig:

Yes. This was not planned It was another one of those just looking on the shelf a style that you don't see a ton of and This is one that a lot of people do ask about You know, I don't have a ton of people asking me for Flanders Reds or white IPAs or Keller beers But I do have people asking we said it in the last episode. This is a Blood brothers brewing.

I've been sitting on this for a little bit. We saw that pretty quickly I had it on tap once last year I got a keg of it because it's one of my favorite styles of beer But this is guilty remnant by blood brothers right out of Toronto So not too far away, but we got this in right before all the crazy Canadian terrorists went in So I was able to scoop this up and then I put it aside and I've been wanting to drink it especially since we did a the same style we did with more talus as a magic bear collab, but the We alluded to the golden anniversary because goes by many names but this is a white stout or Also known as a golden stout.

Well, so white stout golden stout Some people call it a blonde stout the other day. I had someone in here. They said an albino stout on the can They're referring to it as a white stout.

I have always called it a golden or a white stout myself Not typically if I the first time here an albino stout was from that one gentleman No, but then yeah, there's an interesting blonde stout I've heard every now and then but typically it's a white or golden and I like the golden cuz doesn't pour white it pours Golden, so yeah golden stout. I guess I should talk a little bit about broad brothers. They do really good IPAs But they do some big heavy hitting beers with some crazy stouts Barrelaid stouts and then all sorts of variants on that kind of style having some fun up there They did this like horchata stout like they've been in a couple of the tap and craft festivals and They they've just poured some really really tasty stuff So if you get your hands on a blood brothers beer or take a trip up to Toronto, it's not that far Just a hop skip and a jump definitely go check them out.

They've got a vast array of styles available and this one is Very noteworthy so a white stout is I think think noble ale works in 2012 Definitely googled this well yesterday but noble ale works in 2012 is I think given credit for coming up with the This actual style because what what is it? What is a blonde golden or white stout? Basically, it is, you know, if you take a stout and it's quintessential flavors It's coffee roast a little bit of chocolate and you know, all these darker roasty or flavors I'm in a very dark black almost sometimes opaque black beer.

Well, they Wanted to try and create something. I think was called their naughty sauce and they wanted to make something that had said I don't know if it was Around the holidays or when but 2012 because I'll bring up the next Brewery that I knew about and I thought came up with it But I was like, let me just double-check before I go and talk all about it But yeah naughty sauce, you know kind of used cacao nibs and coffee that's one of the biggest things is like cold brew coffee a little bit of that to add because when you take Black patent or chocolate malts or any like roasted malts a very little bit gives you a ton of flavor But also turns your beer pretty black So if you want to add kind of like those coffee like or roasty notes without turning your beer black or you know Keeping it golden, you know They decided to let's try and put some coffee and cacao and add some flavors so that you have What looks to be a golden beer but drinks like something much darker Okay, and that was kind of the goal of this almost an oxymoron So the popularity became even more so when stone and we had brought up stone, right with the IPA You know, you know things they've done the legendary stone Yes, but they they came out with a beer called master of disguise which you know A golden stout would be such a thing because it's like a stout in disguise But same concept, but I think they were able to Do it a little bit more on a wider scope.

So more people got to Experience it. I think they were able to Get it to be a little bit lighter. So it was even more golden Versus I think the naughty sauce was not as dark as like a stout but still probably had some darker Tones to it.

So that master of disguise that was the one that I had known offhand For kind of being the archetype or the original that's why I always like to double check because they're Giving credit, you know the old Google machine and I think AI popped up and they're they're saying this noble Al works So wherever you get it from because I will pitch because I do have a couple cans of Icabarrus left Mortalis makes a fantastic and I mean fantastic One they make imperial golden stouts, but I think on the top ten in the world They're like they've got two or three of them in that top ten list And their base style is called Icarus for you know, the The one who flew too close to the Sun so the golden stout aspect there call back to the first first episode in this series So the So we made a cabarrus. That's what we released late in May and but it was a 10 percent or today We're only having a 6% Thank God, but I do have some Icabarrus left and cans if you are trying to get your hands on I don't know be available by the time this podcast comes out, but I did purchase quite a bit because it is a Fantastic style. I've had people ask about white stouts and golden stout, right?

Jason:

I mean just the fast side note on mortalis.

Craig:

There's a reason why they're ranked top three in the state Yeah, and there's there's a reason and that's that's why right there It's just you might not like some of the styles that they do But when they put a beer out there, they're trying hard to make it the best they can now luckily for us This is only a six percenter. Whereas, you know some Imperial versions as you hear me crack this open look at that some Imperial versions you know get more towards like the 10% I was watching on YouTube get a little spillage there because she's Wow, look at that.

Jason:

That's a beautiful color.

Craig:

Yeah, I mean when we talk I give myself the sloppy class So when you want to talk golden stout white stout Blonde stout what it might be That's okay But I mean we have poured a beer where if I did not tell you what it is and you drank it you might be Baffled because you know taking a look at well, let's let's talk about This actual version so they're marketing it as a white stout With coffee vanilla and lactose. Why do people put lactose in the beer?

Lactose is the same thing as milk sugar. So I think milk stout it's to add a creaminess It's to add kind of like mouthfeel residual sugar. So this should be a little sweeter Lactose could be one of those that people, you know that are intolerant You know be careful of and then a lot of lactose and sour beers to give it that thick and sweet kind of flavor so that's why you would put lactose and Good thing.

My wife is traveling because anytime I have lactose it's best to be alone for a little bit But this guilty remnants, I mean beautiful head Yes As we hold this up to the light, it's not quite as yellow or gold and I got Jason good with that one we're gonna have to Settle down for a second.

Jason:

I think the way I Think the most notable conversation I ever had was voodoo brewing out of Erie and there's like they do one called lacto cooler It's kind of a Ghostbusters themed beer But there's but the fun fact of that but there's absolutely no lactose in it whatsoever. Yeah, it's just a name so then they were there they always told me it was like like the chances that Lactose that are in beer that will affect somebody who's lactose intolerant are are almost slim and none I Can make a comment about losing your job and your your family to like going to a Coldplay concert based on recent news You know, it's it's never it's it's never zero There's always some chance that something like that can happen. But no, I just it was just the comment It's like it's best to be alone.

Craig:

Yeah Well, that's why I went to one place hidden Springs and guilty and in Tampa Bay They had t-shirts that said lactose tolerant and every beer they had was so thick And it was one of those where I just felt like a seagull about to explode. I was like, oh my god I got a I didn't go for a walk by myself But some beers use a little some years use a lot It is one of those where if you have any sort of intolerance and you see lactose, you know drinker beware, but cheers Yeah, cheers. I'm to The 50th episode our golden anniversary, right our golden golden episode of barely getting started I mean when you smell this The vanilla this is vanilla coffee.

I mean it smells like a latte almost. Mm-hmm. I Forget the name the pierrot There's some sort of like straw shaped cookie That's like wrapped around and it's like one of those like wafer style cookies that when you bite kind of crumbles But every time I have a golden style ones that come in the can.

Yeah come to the can They're like a straw almost. Yeah, and they're just wrapped up It always smells like that to me because those always smell like vanilla coffee It's almost like a coffee crisp, you know, very okay. I guess that's a Canadian a Canadian King She's I think you're making connections here now, yeah, you know, it's yeah this 50th episode.

But yeah, I mean you take a sniff of this If I close my eyes, I'm not gonna I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily well, that's a stout But I would know there's vanilla in it. Yeah, and usually vanilla is in stouts. But like when we had that Perfect pairings that roar box vanilla Porter.

I think we did I mean it's got notes of vanilla like that one does on the nose and you know what for this being sitting on the shelf For a little while I've had it in the fridge You know, I still have a nice head on it Definitely got this thick Mouthfeel, you know it drinks like that's really nice. It's I had this beer I got it in cases and a keg the first time it came around and people asked me Hey, you getting any more of that from blood brothers? I was like it's available.

I'll take it So it came around again was not in kegs because I did have this on draft And I mean we were I was just this was one Every time I came in and people because it's still on I got to have it before it's gone and it was gone quick There's also a good price point Some of these golden styles can be pricey our resurgence actually makes a fantastic one called another Caucasian Gary I think it's like oh, yeah

Jason:

Style golden stout fun fact on that one. I want an award at the Hofbrauhaus Homebrew club in Buffalo at Scott pan Phil from the WNY brews podcast Friend of his was the one who yeah, I saw he headed up that recipe and that was they stuck with that beer, too Mm-hmm. That is a nice beer.

Um pair of paroline is oh, that's the cookie.

Craig:

He's the cookie. Yeah Yeah, I was saying I was like a pair of wet pillows. Yeah, that's the smell the aroma again.

Yeah, you're you're right I'm so kind of like, you know before grandma puts all of her Sewing and needles into that one cookie tin whatever that short Christmas butter cookie Yeah, but it's kind of got that kind of vanilla cookie graham cracker II smell to it Not not a ton of coffee notes, but there it's no air, but it's not there's no bitterness like a stout

Jason:

I get more vanilla on the tongue and the nose.

Craig:

Yes this is just it's I'm glad it's only 6% because the The one I did with mortales is 10 and it's super smooth and easy to drink. That one was a white chocolate coffee and Walnut, okay. So that was that was a tasty one.

That was a Cabarrus This one I've had there's actually one Bullfinch brewing out of Syracuse. They're in that huge mall in the destiny USA. There you go They make one called this is guilty rent guilty remnant.

There's this called I think Revenant which is another odd just parallel here But there's what I don't really like about there's because it tastes good But they use something called ube in it Which is a purple sweet potato and typically ube is used to color stuff Yeah, so they made a golden or a white stout and then used ube to like darken it back up So it's a dark color again. So I'm like it doesn't have that like oxymoronic light color, you know It's like hey, let's make a stout without making a stout and then make it look like a stout Where it was good and they also had like a little bit of cinnamon there It was a little bit more like it kind of like a fall vibe So a good beer, but to me if you're gonna make a white or a golden stout It should be like what we're drinking here. Yeah I mean this thing is not quite as golden as the heliophile But I mean as close close to gold as you can get If I didn't tell you what we were drinking you might think it's a lager or you might think it's some sort of just Pale ale, but then obviously that first whiff you're like, but what can this be?

It's very much of vanilla.

Jason:

It's very much Cafe or you know Like I like a mocha and then when you sip it that thick mouth feel if you didn't know of the style I don't I don't know if you would know what to compare this to Revenant is The Blonde stout turned dark by addition to sweet purple sweet potato known as you Bay like you like you just said Gentle spicing with white chocolate chip cookie dough flavor. It's a perfect warmer for fall and winter Yeah, good beer if you get your hands on I had it for a little bit You know the destiny USA of you if you ever get out to Syracuse, you know Wait for a hot minute before you go back out there because they're doing some crazy things in that mall right now So old Finch is down on the front in the lower level. They're building an Ikea on to that mall as we speak right now Yep We did was it a year and a half ago I think we went up to Syracuse and Bri and I hiked from hikes I'm not even getting hiked from talking cursive, which is right across the street from the Niagara Mohawk Oh, yeah corporate building and we were hiked all the way up the Empire State Trail All the way up to destiny USA.

Craig:

That was a Long hike I did a little Syracuse and drank all the way up there my wife She's gluten-free. So she did most of the driving had a cider here and there and a glass of wine But was able to hit up. I mean one time I went I went to Meyers Creek the one, you know in the city Yeah, plus a couple of in her middle ages But this past time I went I went to talking cursive to do a collaboration with them.

Jason:

I do a lot with them It's a great base a great place military a veteran owned Just yeah women owned. It's just you know, like it's they do It's just banger after banger that they put on there.

Craig:

They they do a lot of traditional style beers, too Actually, they're delivering me in like an amber style coach, but they did it with an ancient grain It's you'll see it getting it's more poor popular because it's sustainable, but it's called phonio. Okay So if we go with the name of the beer I'm getting is but it's got this phonio Grain in it, which gives it a little little different flavor. So I'm interested to see we'll have that on draft soon Okay.

Oh, yeah, but this goes on the best way I can describe it if you're into Like I am my southern tier pumpkin. So this is basically like to me. It tastes like an imperial ale so Southern tier does a lot of their eight point six percent Imperial ale series, so they've got the pumpkin, but then the one year they did sugar cookie they've done I had the praline And pecan they just do there was cherry cherry one But basically they've gotten good at making a high percent ale that has a nice mouth feel So to me, this is kind of what this is.

It's an imperial right but doesn't drink like an eight point six at all This one's only a six percenter But it's to me the closest thing is an imperial ale or like a strong ale however, adding that cold press coffee or that cold brew coffee or just the coffee notes along with some cacao and You know the vanilla like that's what gives it It makes it drink like a darker beer, but it doesn't have that roast to it sets it apart from say a coffee blonde Correct. Yeah You know and it just ends up having that nice mouth feel Like this beer has like a slight slight roast bitter finish to it I give you closed your eyes and took a sip of it and you had to guess what it was Like I I would most likely say it was some, you know, this one doesn't drink is heavy So I would probably say it's like a vanilla Porter or something like that and then you'd open your eyes and look at me like oh Okay, yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be this light then you're just like, okay Well, this has got to be a golden stout because it's indicative what a golden stout is right gold You know, that's why that ube one with bullfinch. I'm like, all right, it's not indicative anymore I'd look at it and I'm like, well, that's not what I was Anticipating for a golden stout but to each his own. It's still delicious beer But the fact that this looks like a normal colored beer as in well What's normal but you know a light color golden beer But then having the mouthfeel from the lactose the residual sweetness from the lactose as well as that vanilla and a little bit of chocolate Chocolate I think comes with the coffee as well.

You know, you just have this nice balanced, you know, definitely like